Curse

Blair46 · Jan 16, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

Not sure if this has been posted in the last 5+ posts, cause I'm too lazy to read the whole thread at the moment (lots of long posts).

At any rate, all I want to say is that the problem of finding groups will become a much smaller problem when Chapter 2 comes out.

Why?

Well, not only will there be a large amount of new people, but ArenaNET is introducing that "Alliances" feature in Guild Wars, which will have their own chat "filter" or whatever the hell you wanna call it.

At any rate, the fact that you will be able to talk to a LOT of people who are for the most part in the same guild within a guild (larger "guild" being the "Alliance"), you will be able to find more groups quicker I believe.

Lets just hope that ArenaNET gets Factions out soon enough.

kmg · Jan 18, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

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Jesus, I had to register just to post here. All this "rank doesn't even matter" and "IWAY is unbeatable" talk was just too much to catch my attention. SO many threads on the first page of this forum have IWAY in their title.

IWAY is not the be all end all unbeatable build of GW. The only thing it is good for is noob bashing. It's easy to play and beats low ranked groups, so you can win about half the time because your random pug has a more simple build than the other guy's random pug. I agree IWAY probably needs a nerf, but not as bad as everybody thinks it does. There are countless anti-IWAY skills that do not monopolize build space that can easily dispense with a random IWAY pug. That being said, IWAY is a viable build. Skilled players can do well enough with IWAY to beat other good teams running strong builds. That, or if IWAY is the only thing a certain guild plays until they are all past r6. The only time a random IWAY pug seems unbeatable is when you are in a bad group.

Next, rank is not a meaningless bane of pvp grouping. Rank in its simplest form is a measure of how many tombs battles you have won. It does not necessarily define whether a player is good or bad, but it's the best estimate you can have. I would take fame and rank any day over having to weed out the 6 bad players of the 8. I agree that it sucks IWAY players can farm fame dependably albeit slowly, but I still believe about 75% of r6+ players know well what they are doing and wholly deserve to be in a r6+ group. That's infinitely better than randoms would be.

And for god's sake, shut up about how impossible it is to rank up. I started playing GW about two months ago. Now I'm r6+. It wasn't that hard. I'll admit, I had a couple of IWAY groups back when I was r0 and had no idea what it was. The I did some research, asked some questions, and was open to the responses I received because I knew I had little knowledge of what is at first an overwhelmingly large and complex game. I learned builds and tactics. The first time I ran with a decent group I realized that IWAY could be smashed no problem a definite majority of the time because 95% of IWAY players suck.

So there you have it. Rank 6 in two months during the IWAY explosion. Learn how to play the game. Find other people who know how to play the game. Smash IWAY. If you frequent this forum, which I'm sure you whiners do (my first post here and I'm r6+, hint hint) you should know plenty of IWAY counters. Go find people to run them. Go spam tombs: GLF UNRANKED FOR ANTI-IWAY FAME FARM; and then teach those people how to play it, because you're going to have to. Hell, if rank is that big of a deal to you, grind through some IWAY, nobody will care or know the difference in your r3+ group.

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By the way, if you create a guild for unranked tombing, which is not a bad idea if you're up to the challenge, it will consist of this: "I, an experienced tombs player, am putting together a group. Here is the build, and those are the skills needed. If you have them, you're in." Then you teach those people how to run that build. It's not a guild for random noobs to hook up and suck together, it's a Guild Wars Academy, where people who are willing to learn can come and be laid upon with knowledge. Lots of games have that sort of organization, and most are very successful. Honestly, I'd like to take part in one because it's usually pretty high status, but I'm kind of in a guild. Trust me, a GW Academy, if well put together, will be tremendously useful and well respected in the GW community. Basically a place for noobs to go and learn how they suck and how to fix it. I'm really kicking myself know because I should have formed one of these, but I'm already committed to a guild. It's a great idea if you know what to expect and how to accomplish your goals.

EDIT: Oh and hey homsar, I tombed with you somewhere recently but I can't quite remember... Sorry your name just jumped out at me. Did we win? =D

DarkerHelmet · Jan 18, 2006, 03:26 PM // 15:26

I never said it was impossible to rank up, but it does mean spending countless hours begging to be part of a group which in my case is the same as an impossible way to rank up.

As soon as a game starts to annoy you you should wonder if it is really worth playing anymore, cause the mean idea about games in general is to have fun. It is no fun being a low ranked player in the Tombs.

Apart from that, like I said before ranks lead to arrogance, people think rank means they are better then others. Sometimes this happens in the regular PvE missions as well. It's obvious to me that time spend in for instance pve missions does not mean you are a good player, same goes for PvP IMO.

Besides like you said it's really all about using skills. I do agree many of the players don't have a clue at this point and it's very frustrating to see a team of idiots do stupid things :P. But I really want to play in a group with real teamwork, I'm willing to listen and adjust, which IMO doesn't need more then 30 sec of explaining. 30 sec!!!!!, while most groups just sit there for ages waiting for the high ranked player to join so they don't need to explain, completely rediculous IMO.

And then you say IWAY is a viable strategy, it is of course but since all are using it it kinda takes away the tactical versatillity that could happen and IMO keeps the gameplay fun. The fact that you'll need to play IWAY all the time to rank up is just as boring as waiting to be accepted in a team. The only reason to play is to rank up??.

kmg · Jan 19, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22

GW is so fun. I've never not had fun in GW. That's because I enjoy learning. I enjoyed going into comps for the first time and getting my ass handed to me. It meant the game was a challenge. It meant an opportunity for me to better myself. I knew that if I could be good at this then I really would have accomplished something. Advancing your skills through lots of hard work (practice) is what this game is all about. Whiners just don't have patience. They can't accept the fact that sometimes you have to lose more than you win. Sometimes your tactic doesn't work, it doesn't mean nothing will. Figure it out. Lay some knowledge upon it. Get owned.

Divine Elemental · Jan 19, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by megaforcetkd

zZz you made me login - I just HAD to post here.

Yesterday my team beat a rank 9+ group - I'm rank 1 o.O.

thats why u wer whispering me all day >_>

lol
thats true enough... i remember a few months ago..2-3?.
i made a guild which dedicated Skill over Rank.
hmm results came out

i turned them to reaLLY GOOD PVPERS / GVGVERS...
2 of them.
Warskull PvP who is now at Final Dynasty one of the leet gvg guilds..
Hyori St who was one of the 10[9 w/o Custodian ] members of Eternum Phariah. Yes o.o EP
wow.
who knew?
that Hyori who was a rank4-5 when i recruited would end up to get in EP?.. no one
True Enough.
i tired what u are thining a guild that takes Skill > Rank.
but its really hard.. testing out every RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GOing person o.O
thats all there is.
give some low ranks a chance. theyll play their best and show you off.
rather than some egotistical jerk who is high ranked.

being ranked isnt anything.. since now iway came out damn you DGs! [ Its all about the friends list! ]
its made tombs really gay.
but if it gets a nerf itll cleanse tombs once again.
Logically Advanced isnt bad either

just needs to learn more and get a mic pffft( a real one not a desktop one )
Hyori sure way passed me

lol @ Good Cheers
thats what Signet Thinks.

wheel · Jan 19, 2006, 06:10 AM // 06:10

R9++ IWAY LFG Enough said. Rank means nothing.

Divine Elemental · Jan 19, 2006, 06:11 AM // 06:11

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Originally Posted by wheel

R9++ IWAY LFG Enough said. Rank means nothing.

lol makes me remember valk >_>

if you have incomparable skill like Ian Boyd
that makes u leet that u dont even play the game but you know how to preech @ gvg ur a god like chuck noris
Skill > Rank
F List > Pugs
Jessica Alba > Pam Anderson
Oh God ^_^

DarkerHelmet · Jan 19, 2006, 10:02 AM // 10:02

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Originally Posted by kmg

GW is so fun. I've never not had fun in GW. That's because I enjoy learning. I enjoyed going into comps for the first time and getting my ass handed to me. It meant the game was a challenge. It meant an opportunity for me to better myself. I knew that if I could be good at this then I really would have accomplished something. Advancing your skills through lots of hard work (practice) is what this game is all about. Whiners just don't have patience. They can't accept the fact that sometimes you have to lose more than you win. Sometimes your tactic doesn't work, it doesn't mean nothing will. Figure it out. Lay some knowledge upon it. Get owned.

I totally agree with you about the learning thing and getting owned. But the fact is there isn't much to learn if nobody takes you in their team because they immediately think you suck. To me, you suck if you are not willing to listen to advice and or tactics. I am very willing to do that and I'm good enough to play the skills.

That said, it's just frustrating to wait, I don't really care if I loose some matches because like you said, that's where you learn how to play better. But the waiting just takes away the fun in the Tombs for me.

And for me it's just too silly that rank means everything, it just annoys me that everybody is so high on ranks and don't give people a chance. Like I said befor I don't like this attitude and therefore I don't play PvP in the Tombs anymore.

I'm happy that I don't have any pure PvP chars. I have 3 lvl 20 (and 1 lvl 19) pve chars and I started playing pvp with them after getting all the attributes. PvP is much more of a challenge then pve but when you have finished with your char you at least now more about that char then any low lvl pvp char just starting in the tombs with all the attributes. ArenaNet even made the game so that finished pve chars would enter pvp competition, but IMO it's broken with the introduction of ranks for pvp.

Maybe they should make a seperate Tombs for finished pve chars without the rankings. Guys who don't like the pve part can still have their ranks as a measure of progress. To pve chars I think this is less important, at least it is for me. I much rather have the standard xp-points giving to pve chars so that we can keep buying new skills etc.

tafy69 · Jan 19, 2006, 10:15 AM // 10:15

Friends list is the new rank at the moment. PuGs is slowly becoming a thing of the past, unless your iwaying ofc

Vaga · Jan 19, 2006, 12:44 PM // 12:44

I'm newb and all that jazz I just started tombs after completeing PvE and finding it fairly easy. I can see how iway has a lot of flaws and really isn't that superior to a balanced build.

The problem I have with Iway is that you can't make a PUG unless it is iway. Your a newbie so you are going to make mistakes, and chances are someone in your pickup group is going to. Even if someone lags at some point there is no second chance. Kind of ruins the fun.

How far is the range on "Order of the Vampire", I mean that is one thing that could maybe be changed it might actually punish iwayers for making a mistake. I dont see any other casters being able to help their party from that far away.

Ok so experienced players can beat it 9/10 or everytime as many have said. That has got to be pretty boring repeating the same tactics that work everytime. It is much more fun playing every other type of build IMO.

The class limit suggestion isn't bad, I mean we are very limited on everything else having a limit of say 3 of each class in a party of 8 wouldnt be so bad. The thing is I doubt this would hurt iway much, and having 3 as the limit is about as low it could go.

As far as ranks theres really no need for them, sure it helps making a PUG but by the time your rank 3 you will probably have a decent friends list anyway. Maybe have emotes as faction bought?

It could also be because of how good warriors are. They have that huge armor and then huge damage.

I am sure IWAY will be fixed in factions but...do they really want to leave the non-factions players with this?

Navaros · Jan 20, 2006, 03:40 AM // 03:40

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Originally Posted by wheel

R9++ IWAY LFG Enough said. Rank means nothing.

How do you figure that a guy who has R9+ from IWAY makes rank mean nothing?

Getting rank with IWAY is very hard work, you know. Playing IWAY well is no cakewalk. Waiting around/spamming for good players to join your party a gazillion times to get 4665 fame is no cakewalk either. It's all very wearing and time-consuming. Hence IWAY players deserve just as much respect as anyone else.

Sounds to me that jealous players really should stop with the hating on higher ranked players and go earn some rank of their own.

Divine Elemental · Jan 20, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

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Originally Posted by Navaros

How do you figure that a guy who has R9+ from IWAY makes rank mean nothing?

Getting rank with IWAY is very hard work, you know. Playing IWAY well is no cakewalk. Waiting around/spamming for good players to join your party a gazillion times to get 4665 fame is no cakewalk either. It's all very wearing and time-consuming. Hence IWAY players deserve just as much respect as anyone else.

Sounds to me that jealous players really should stop with the hating on higher ranked players and go earn some rank of their own.

o.o
Srry. If Your Offended.
Hence Your Name. >_>
i Myself Hit r9 a Week Ago?>_> Non Iway Too , And Damn Right Im Proud
Cause IWAY is a Fame Machine, Its all You See...The Better Iway Dominates, But There is a Light. a Hope For People To Change

/pray

skizdidlyidler · Jan 23, 2006, 05:39 AM // 05:39

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Originally Posted by megaforcetkd

zZz you made me login - I just HAD to post here.

Yesterday my team beat a rank 9+ group - I'm rank 1 o.O.

yeah, like i said in a thread i posted recently, i beat [TT] Temporal Threshold with an unranked iWAY team and went all the the way to HoH but lost there

i am still only rank 1 and still beating very highly ranked guilds, whether they are running joke builds for fun or not, my confidence has been boosted so don't burst my bubble plz.